Seat Leon - Honda Civic General. Registrarse Iniciar sesión Ver mensajes del autor Ver mensajes propios. Suscribirse The Civic Si sports the 1.5-liter four-cylinder turbo but at a more powerful tune, putting out 200 hp and 192 lb-ft of torque through the six-speed manual with rev-matching. Volkswagen Jetta Large Sport Sedans. Compare the 2022 Honda Civic with the 2023 Honda Civic: car rankings, scores, prices and specs. City vs Civic vs Accord Mileage. ARAI claimed Mileage. 17.8 kmpl. 16.5 kmpl. 23.1 kmpl. User Reported Mileage (City) 11 kmpl View Details. 12 kmpl View Details. 9 kmpl View Details. Seat Leon eHybrid 2020 UK first drive. However, starting at £19,855 for the 108bhp 1.0-litre SE petrol, the Leon still usefully undercuts the Golf (lowest asking price £23,054) and the Ford Compare the 2023 Honda Civic, 2022 Toyota Corolla and 2023 Mazda Mazda3: car rankings, scores, prices, and specs. Model Year. A maximum of 3 cars can be compared at one time. Please remove a car to add a new one. Comparing 3 Cars. . The Seat Leon Cupra R is 306bhp of fiery, finely honed fun - but can it match the latest Honda Civic Type R for driving thrills?Regardless of the outcome of this showdown, if you're talking about hot hatches in the conventional sense, the current Civic Type R is the best money can other front-driven car for which you can lay down a deposit at your nearest dealership marries such crushing pace with such a deep-seated sense of mechanical involvement. In fact, the only reason this magazine's road testers elected to bestow upon it four and a half stars is because those so inclined were a little more vociferous in their sentiments than the ones who would give it five. Although it no longer rages, the debate you've probably surmised, we haven't committed editorial hara-kiri and given up the verdict in the first line. Rather, the Honda is the only car in this duo that you can actually buy. Why a nation famous for loosening the purse strings in the pursuit of agile, affordable, peppy shopping carts should be allocated a paltry 24 cars from a run of 799 is anybody's guess, but each right-hand-drive example of the lava-hot Seat Leon Cupra R is now spoken for, which renders this twin test both academic and because even should this £34,995 newcomer bury its esteemed rival in a win that would come as a considerable but welcome surprise, you still can't have one. Fascinating because this is the last Cupra model before 'Cupra' becomes an independent, performance-oriented institution in the manner of Mercedes-AMG. What this car portends–its relative strengths, drawbacks, focus and, most important for us, the ability to entertain is therefore the concern of anybody who might at some point seriously consider buying a hot battle is for the moral victory. Perhaps for you, it's a conflict that the Japanese car has already surrendered. You will by now have formed your own opinion of the FK8-generation Civic Type R's aesthetics, and it may not be entirely favourable. However, with the distinctive-looking Honda sitting longer and wider but no taller than the Seat Leon Cupra R, for sheer presence we're talking cold-blooded murder in classic Championship White, many of the intricacies swallowed up by darker hues emerge: Mitsubishi Evolution-style vortex generators on the trailing edge of the roof; side-skirt fins; a vast ventdraining the front wheel arches of lift-inducing pressure; the way the end-plates of that colossal wing flair at their base. Look closely and you'll notice that even the headlight lenses feature aero mouldings. It's a curious, formidable thing that could only ever have been born in Japan and, to these eyes, it's handsome in the same way haggis is enough about this 316bhp Honda, which starts up with an unexpectedly demure burble lost among the harder frequencies and altogether less sociable amplitude of its rip-snorting rival. Previous Cupra variants based on this third-generation Leon have been phenomenally quick point to point but have tempered that with a demeanour that cruises under the radar. That's not the case here. The front and rear valances, skirts and wing are wrought of genuine carbonfibre (the Honda gets a derisible artificial wrap) and there's copper-coloured detailing everywhere, not least on the intake blades and two-tone 19in alloy wheels, which works far better than it wheels fail to obscure Brembo brakes that are larger than the ones on the Leon Cupra 300 and book-end a front axle that has had its geometry tweaked to offer a degree more negative camber. With new suspension uprights as well, Seat's aim has been to make the chassis feel a little more 'pointy', although the contact patch is 10mm narrower at each corner than the Honda's. Even so, aided by smooth Tarmac and warm tyres, the Cupra R's shockingly direct changes in trajectory threatened to rip rubber from rim on its international launch in Spain last the car through a few British bends and you're greeted by what is arguably its métier. The steering rack has been quickened a touch just off centre and has a crisp levity to it, weighting up naturally and with a steely core that transmits, yes, some genuine feel. The narrow gauge of the rim (manufacturers of even far more expensive, potent machinery, please take note) and indulgently soft Alcantara upholstery that, I suspect, is the same as that used in the new Porsche 911 GT3 certainly help. Overall, it's a fantastic, flickable there's the engine. Rarely is the lump under the bonnet the most memorable aspect of a hot hatch, and that's the case with the Cupra R, although for a four-cylinder workhorse, this one is absurdly peak torque of 280lb ft arrives at only 1800rpm and yet, somehow, that same level of twist is still flooding through the six-speed manual gearbox at 5700rpm. Too much of its character is dependent on exhaust tuning, but a more tractable, cultured four-pot you'll not find in anything with five seats and is a shame, then, that some of the basics – and the more nuanced complexities – are lacking. The seats are too high-set and, strangely, given the magnitude of the bolsters, flat across their backs. The throw of this manual 'box is decently short but giddily light. The brake pedal – quite beautifully positioned in relation to the others – feels too generously servo-assisted and, on its retuned adaptive dampers, the chassislacks the final pinch of pliancy that allows its exertions to fade from your telling, even in wet weather – as on the day of our photo shoot – the adjustability that bubbles up from within the best hot hatch exponents is lamentably absent, although the pace on offer is nothing short of spectacular. On British roads, the overall result is a peculiar device, and one that strongly hints at an uncompromised mission statement but ultimately delivers something of a movie Civic, meanwhile, dispenses a roundhouse, the discombobulating effects of which quickly rearrange your notion of what really constitutes 'feeling'. The scarlet seats not only look fabulous but also cup the torso more securely. Crucially, they set your posterior more purposely low down and the consequent impression – unique among this car's rivals – is of being securely enveloped within the going and you'll find the right sort of heft in the steering and clutch and pleasing resistance in the throttle pedal's action. Response isn't as gloriously sharp as it is in the Seat and, lacking that car's twin-scroll turbo, this 316bhp four isn't as willing at lower crank speeds. However, the scales shift at the top of the rev range, where this over-square VTEC engine feasts on the final stretch of the 7000rpm redline with a zeal that's just a little alarming if you're not ready for it. The Honda also weighs an adult passenger less than the Seat, and you notice one-two that makes the Seat drop a knee comes from the Type R's gearshift and damping. The shift quality – honed assiduously by Honda for two decades – is short, tight, notchy perfection. The suspension, with its new rear multi- links, is something we've criticised in the past for being overly stiff but, in this instance, it simply feels the more adroit. The Civic's nose duly dives for apices with the composure of an ice-breaker cruising through a frozen must be said, however, that in these conditions the Civic's mechanical limited-slip differential has to be exploited more deftly and with greater care than its more forgiving electronic equivalent in the Leon. On low-friction surfaces, it is less predictable, locking up earlier and pushing the nose wide to sometimes startling effect. The risk- to-reward ratio is that much more engaging in the Honda, which raises the stakes further still with its oft-cited penchant for could flay these charges for miles and never find the gap between them to be more than a handful of car lengths. Were the Leon wearing the track-day-spec Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres that a fifth of owners are expected to specify, I dare say it would be the quicker car. Whatever the rubber, it's also the easier of two to live with so would be the preference of the non-enthusiast members of your household. And it's for precisely that reason it loses this contest with its head held high but ultimately by some Civic Type R bottles the sensations common to bona fide sports cars and it's a bottle you get to screw the top off on any road and at almost any speed. In the end, it's simple: this limited- run Seat promises great things for an incipient Cupra brand, but the Honda is comfortably there - Honda Civic Type R: A magnificent achievement from Honda. Tangibly the more involving proposition here, despite the unquestionable quality of its opposition2nd - Seat Leon Cupra R: Phenomenally quick Leon bodes well for the Cupra sub-brand but never feels more than the sum of its admittedly impressive parts #1 Out of the two, I really can't decide with a budget of £ I'm not overly concerned on the mileage as I won't be doing much myself, so something at 90k for instance wouldn't concern me as long as it's been well cared for. Some of the pre-facelift EP3's seem like really good value now at around £ and £ would probably see a facelift model. On the other hand, I've owned a DC2 before and quite fancy something a little more civilised so the Cupra R seems like a good alternative. I think £ would be pushing it for a good 2004 model though and especially one that's been remapped? Not too sure on how the pre-facelift models cope remapped given they are 210bhp standard compared with 225bhp face-lifted? Both these cars aren't a given and I'm even considering an e46 330i... any help or ideas? #2 Personally I prefer LCR over CTR. Sure, probably not as much 'fun' as the CTR but when you get bored you can tune it up a bit and love it some more. I also think the EP3 looks pretty dated now, I've always loved the look of LCR's though. #3 Out of the three the BMW will be more civilised and ofc RWD although hardly a sports car. I personally don't like turbo'd cars (maybe new ones are far better) so that would rule out the Cupra for me. I'd have to test drive them as on paper they offer similar performance but the way they feel/ride/look only you can decide. #4 The Seat has a nicer interior and more refined ride than the Civic, but isn't up to the Honda dynamically. I was considering a Cupra R before I bought the Civic, but despite being plenty quick enough it's not as much fun to drive as I'd hoped. If i was doing regular, long journeys then the longer gearing and refinement of the Cupra would have swung it. #5 CTR is more fun. Leon has boost and is more tunable. Both will be cheaper to run than a 330i. Drive them and decide #6 Civic has better seats, is more fun and more abusable. Leon a good bit softer and comfier with better steering. I preferred my CTR to my wife's Cupra. #7 I'd forget them choices and get one of these bad boys I've owned this for 4 Years now and it's the most fun i've ever had behind the wheel, only problem is they are rare (only about 350 were imported into the country) so there's not much to choose from, but the sound the engine makes is phenominal, listen to this vid of one with a unicorse replica exhaust #8 I'd forget them choices and get one of these bad boys I've owned this for 4 Years now and it's the most fun i've ever had behind the wheel, only problem is they are rare (only about 350 were imported into the country) so there's not much to choose from, but the sound the engine makes is phenominal, listen to this vid of one with a unicorse replica exhaust Lovely car, £490 tax though might be a put off #9 Those little algae (autocorrect for alfas apparently) are brilliant - drove one when they were fairly new, took it out for ten minutes and ended up away for over an hour. Great noise, handles well enough (ignore top gear style views I had no problem) and I actually remember it riding quite well too. Being an Alfa it would be a pain in the arse to DIY when something goes wrong, plus are they even that cheap? I like both the civic and cupra R but tbh don't think I would buy either. If I could find a decent 330ci for your money that's what I would buy or alternatively a PPP'd / remapped wrx OP #10 I'd forget them choices and get one of these bad boys I've owned this for 4 Years now and it's the most fun i've ever had behind the wheel, only problem is they are rare (only about 350 were imported into the country) so there's not much to choose from, but the sound the engine makes is phenominal, listen to this vid of one with a unicorse replica exhaust I'd rather a GTV with the same engine but the insurance is plain nasty for some odd reason. Those little algae (autocorrect for alfas apparently) are brilliant - drove one when they were fairly new, took it out for ten minutes and ended up away for over an hour. Great noise, handles well enough (ignore top gear style views I had no problem) and I actually remember it riding quite well too. Being an Alfa it would be a pain in the arse to DIY when something goes wrong, plus are they even that cheap? I like both the civic and cupra R but tbh don't think I would buy either. If I could find a decent 330ci for your money that's what I would buy or alternatively a PPP'd / remapped wrx Again, quite like some of the Prodrive packed WRX's available but the insurance is excessive. #11 I assume you've not thought about the Clio Sports? I'd imagine a Trophy might even be possible in this budget? IMO, the Trohpy is one of the best hot hatches in this price range. Skip to ContentSkip to FooterHot new Honda Civic Type R goes head-to-head with Ford Focus RS and SEAT Leon SC Cupra 300It’s decision time. So which of these three very hot hatches is our clear winner?We could tease out the winner of the test, but there’d be no point because in he final reckoning the Honda walks it. No matter which way you cut it, the Civic comes out on top thanks to its staggering breadth of abilities. It’s no exaggeration to say that the Type R redefines what’s possible for a hot hatch – either front or four-wheel drive. ‘It bristles with capability, seriousness, competency, aggression’, enthuses Towler. ‘It successfully melds the outrageous performance people expected with old fashioned, but extremely relevant, qualities of interaction. It feels like a special car, honed for the task by a team on top of their game.’The fact it was fastest around the track, is the most spacious and practical day-to-day and won’t cost the earth to run is the icing on top of the Honda’s hard earned victory cake. We even got used to the between the Ford and SEAT was trickier, because despite having very different takes on the hot hatch formula, they’re both desirable propositions. Yet when the shouting subsided, it was the Focus that emerged just ahead. Its hardcore ride, compromised driving position and wide boy image are demerits, but when you start to push on, the RS’s ability to engage and entertain is unquestioned, plus the novelty of a hot hatch that handles with a rear-drive swagger never really wears off. Towler again, ‘The Ford seems weighed down by expectation and marketing involvement, but get it on a challenging road and its qualities really shine through. It's one of those cars where you can throw any surface, camber or bump at it at very high speed and know that the chassis will respond.’So that leaves the SEAT holding the wooden spoon. The Spanish flyer used to be one of our favourites, but the pace of change in this class has left the Leon languishing. That’s not to say the Cupra doesn’t have its charms. We’re huge fans of its lightweight construction and ferocious performance, plus when you’re in the mood it’s a genuinely exciting machine, but push it as hard as the other two and it quickly that’s not all. ‘I can’t understand why it looks so ordinary,’ muses Ingram. ‘A more adventurous bodykit would help it stand out, while inside it needs a set of decent seats at the very least.’ Perhaps more pressingly, SEAT needs to launch a Sub8 pack for this latest 300 version, because we’re convinced that this would address some of the Leon’s weaknesses. Even so, it’s unlikely even an upgraded Cupra could topple the remarkable Honda. In fact, it’s going to take something spectacular to knock the Type R of its top spot. 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See Disclaimer. Side ViewHonda Civic (FC) Sedan 2016 vs. Seat León (5F) 5-door Hatchback 2012 Technical specs | Honda Civic (FC) Sedan 2016 is cm longer and 3 cm lower compared to Seat León (5F) 5-door Hatchback 2012. It offers 58% less cargo 1. Maximum height | 2. Width with folded mirrors | 3. Max. ground clearance | 4. Most common power unit. Possible deviation of standards. | 5. With rear seats folded down Quick Facts 721801 Comparison combinations Germany Origin of the most car models 1908 Year of our oldest car model Which of these two Rs is the real kicker?What do you think of the copper-coloured highlights on the Cupra R? They might be construed as quite a divisive package, but in response there are two points. Firstly, Seat is only bringing in 24 and they’re all sold, so who cares what we think. And the second point is that we’re matching it with a Honda Civic Type R, so any concern about some styling elements of the Seat being over the top are completely on the Leon is enhanced by a modified Cupra body kit, and it comes with big brakes, revamped steering and camber angles, and a rortier exhaust. Styling on the Honda is, well, it’s whatever you think it is. So let’s stop looking at that outrageous spoiler and those basking shark vents, and step which point you’re met by a certain amount of red but beyond that you’re noticing that this is a seriously sorted, well laid out cabin that is a big step up from where the Civic Type R used to be. The seats – very red – are also very low, putting you just where you want to be when the rev counter heads towards the Civict Type R Price: £30,995 Engine: four-cylinder, turbo, petrol Power: 316bhp Torque: 295lb/ft 0-62mph: Top speed: 169mph Economy: CO2 emissions: 176g/kmIn the Cupra R it’s all pretty good, with highlights including the Alcantara wrapped round the steering wheel, and the great infotainment system (the one in the Honda is beyond hopeless). But, taken overall, you seem to be sitting too high and it feels more like a city car than a serious sporting nothing city car about the Honda, which is obviously bigger, lower and just generally more. The chassis feels supremely well sorted, leaving the suspension to do its thing of absorbing what we laughingly call our roads. It’s never going to be anything other than firm, even in Comfort setting, yet it’s not overly firm. Generally it feels brilliantly spent a very large fortune and sacrificed slaves and territories to turn the family saloon into something so very special. It’s clear that Seat tried very hard but they didn’t quite have so many human sacrifices to offer, nor as much gold in the treasury – or, at least, they weren’t prepared to spend it effect is a car that is very good by the standards of these things, but in comfort mode it feels like a jelly compared to the Honda, and then the jelly sets rather hard further up the you’re really motoring though, you’re reminded of the similarity in DNA between the Cupra and VW’s Golf Clubsport S. The real highlight though isn’t the top end, fabulous though that Leon Cupra R Price: £34,995 Engine: four-cylinder, turbo, petrol Power: 305bhp Torque: 280lb/ft Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive 0-62mph: Top speed: 155mph Economy: CO2 emissions: 170g/kmIt’s the Leon’s remarkable ability to pull from just about anywhere on the dial that really impresses. This is a very easy engine to use, and it means you can rev it out like a boy racer or go virtually as quickly but with minimal sweat. That’s a neat it’s one the Honda can’t quite match. The turbocharged four-pot in the Honda certainly pulls hard, let’s not get carried away, but there’s just a hint of lag, just a bit more need for revs than in the Seat. The effect is that the Honda seems to build harder as the revs rise, aided further by a really delightful clutch and the Honda that really talks to you, telling you what’s going on all the time, helping you feel more at one with the machine. All those slaves and empires didn’t fall for nothing. The depth of ability here is basically bottomless, right up until R+ mode, which is actually a bit much for British roads – it can be too much on some racetracks even. Short of that though, the Type R is really, truly Cupra gets better as you go harder, but you can feel it taking the steps, stiffening the suspension and steering, while the Honda has such a wondrous chassis there isn’t such an awareness that these things are happening or need to are going to be some who will find the styling of the latest Type R simply too much to stomach. They’d prefer the Cupra R, but they’re only going to get one if they buy it already aesthetics aside, while the Cupra R is a great car and Seat must be commended for turning the Leon into such a remarkable force, it’s the Honda every time that shows what endless commitment, budget and engineering brilliance can achieve, even with a family saloon.

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